I think all junior crews should train for cinci. It has obviously proven to be the fastest junior regatta in the country. It’s a shame to see fast crews that medal at Stotes and SRAAs not race at cinci. Personally, I think that Stotes and SRAAs are big, but u can’t call yourself the fastest until u win cinci.
Congratulations to all the crews this week. Let's face it though... being National Champs in the Heavy and Light Eights at the same time shows the incredible level of commitment that runs way deep in the Newport program. What a phenominal accomplishment by the entire team. Newport gets my vote hands down!
a race is a race, and a win is a win. teams will prepare for the conditions, 2000m or 1500. the string of posts below is just a list of excuses against an obviously well prepared team... at the collegiate level we get the olympian excuse and at the junior level we are getting the club team excuse.
I hate excuses. I started by stating how impressive PEDDIES' accomplishment. They did it at both distances and by substancial margins of victory in very big races. No scholastic school has been that dominant for that long of a period of time. They deserve more recognition than what they are getting. Lets be truthful people. That additional 500m is significant. Especially in a race situation. Practice is practice race conditions are a different animal. Until USRowing recognizes this the advantage will always be towards the clubs
Rowing races are held over a 2000 meter distance. I don't understand why this is even a debate. The whining is taking away from how fast Peddie was this season.
all of the nominated crews are being recognized for exceptional races. the descriptions are impressive. I feel that a majority of the rowing community will put a win in an 8+ higher than a 4+ or small boats, not necessarily a club over a school.
amazing job by GMS! 5 girls at nationals, 6 gold medals. open water wins for the 2 boats. i also heard one of the rowers had only been sculling since march! the dedication and work ethic of the athletes and their coach deserve the highest recognition and get my vote. congratulations to all teams mentioned!
Fantastic job by NAC Crew. As far as I know not one of the MV8 crew has a parent or sibling that rows. These are kids from the community that have come to love rowing on their own with the parents basically having no clue (surprise!). If there were a category for Coach of the week it would be hands down for Nick D' Antoni! Go Row! Go NAC
Congrats to all of the crews named. My vote goes with CCD's Girl's LW4+Cincinnati Country Day might be the only crew to ever complete the triple crown, Canadian Schoolboys, US Scholastics and USRowing Youth Invitational, not once but twice. They defeated both club and high school crew in both 1.5k and 2k racing, they haven't lose a race in 2 years. In addition to being a spring only program they train without a boathouse on a gravel pit that is less than 1000 meters. With graduating classes of roughly 65 students this spring only program has certainly risen above the odds to achieve something that no other program has.
Congratulations to all the teams in the poll, each of their stories sound impressive, however I had to vote for Newport. Obviously I am a "left-Coasty" but seriously, repeating as national champions and adding another title in two of the toughest events, what's better than that? Also, to address the "club/school" all-star comment-Newport not only doesn't recruit, they are not allowed on or near any HS campus and I know that Marin faces similar obstacles from their local HS AD's-great job to the so-called "crew all-star teams" for succeeding despite the lack of local school support!
The Truth is the clubs get to draw from multiple hs. I have coached at school and have friends that work at schools that lack support from the AD. This is a common problem for most not all schools. I'm sure it is from the liability standpoint. I'm tired of people always making excuses for things that are reasons. If the playing field is even for this competition then why don't single sending district HS ever win the events you say are the most competitive?
the last scholastic team to win the youth 8 was St. Ignatius Prep from SF, CA in 2006. They did it two years in a row but its been all clubs since then. In the lwt 8, i believe canisius was the last one with 2007 and 2006, since then, again, its been all clubs.
Coming from the only true scholastic boys team in rochester, ny, clubs definitely have an advantage. Some club teams get money from towns and also are MUCH larger than their scholastic counterparts most of the time. Two of the clubs around here have well over 100 people each. They can draw from several highschools and also don't have to deal with AD's. They can make their own rules and requirements (as long as parents and participants agree obviously). There are only a few teams in the new york area that have true backing from the highschool (canisius, chaminade, saratoga to name a few).
Ok, how 'bout we agree to disagree? Each side of this debate has obvious pro's and con's and NEITHER is more or less valid than the other, they're just different. Coming from a background of club rowing, many on the West coast probably suffer from a "grass is greener" envy of HS programs where their athletes at least get P.E. credit for pursuing a sport they love and who aren't punished (as severely) every time they miss a Friday to attend a regatta. On the other hand, yes the clubs tend to have more numbers and less oversite (not always a good thing, but for arguments sake, ok) so that can be advantageous at times. Good luck to everybody in the poll, but my heart's still with Newport!
Despite rowing on a "scholastic" team in high school, I have/had no issue competing against club teams. In fact, going to Youth Nationals to race against clubs, not only just the ones from the West Coast, was my favorite and most memorable part of rowing in high school. Sure, clubs do have advantages in getting the best talent in their area, but rowing is about challenging and pushing yourself to the max with your crew. If you (a scholastic rower/coach/etc) have an issue with rowing against club teams, attend Stotesbury and SRAAs, that's their purpose. However, the fastest, most elite junior regatta in the States takes place in Cinci, where scholastic teams, particularly Jesuit institutions succeed too (as "ywkhgqo" already cited). My vote is for the NAC junior men, along with their coaches, parents, and supports. Congrats, and superb job.
AMDG, (love the name), i totally agree. While my lightweight 4 went further at the scholastic nationals (5th in the final), we had much more fun racing at cinci where we got second in the petites (7th fastest time). It was more fun because we knew these were the BEST teams in the country. With what overows said though, nine times out of ten thats just from good coaching with teams being consistent.
The distance for ALL regattas should be 2000 meters. The scholastic national championships for canada are 2k. A good crew is really decided in that last 500 of a 2k.
oh please, schools have an advantage, you can tell by the same schools being competitive every year...but of all clubs Newport you cant complain, select crew with all the equipment you want...
If schools have the advantage then why not more wins at Youth Nats. It is because they are at a distinct disadvantage. Having to train at different distances between the scholastic year and the club racing. SJP is fairly successful and couldn't sniff a win and they had some very fast crews. USRowing needs to wake up and make the uniform distance 1500m if they want to consider this a true national chamionship.
Schools do not have the advantage. I guess SJP couldn't sniff at gold last year when they came in 2nd by .1", or in 2006 when they finished 2nd to a scholastic crew. Forget their dynasty in the lightweight 8.
USRowing does not need to "wake up." Every single legitimate regatta in the world is 2000 meters, from the Olympics to Canley. Maybe Stotesbury and SRAAs should become 2000 meters and join the rest of the world. Cinci is a true national championship, and turning it into a 1500 meter affair would lessen its prestige and only hinder the development of junior athletes who have aspirations to compete at the international, collegiate, or club level. Don't complain about the organization who got it right. If you feel disadvantaged at Youths because of the distance, take it up with whoever feels their regatta should be shorter than the standard international distance for rowing. Please, enough with the sour grapes. Lets celebrate the achievements of these five impressive crews. By the way, this website is row2k.com.
Why should stotes and SRAA change. They have all been est. way before Youth Nats came about. You cannot consider this a true national championship until a uniform distance for youth level is determined. Why is a qual. for the Youth Nat. 1500m (Cities). So either don't include no club teams or make it uniform. Why are HS required to train future collegiants and internationals to the 2000m distance. What else do these upper level coaches want us to do. In baseball amatures use aluminum bat and in football they use different size footballs and in basketball they have shorter quarters. SJP would skip SRAA to train for the additional 500m AND STILL NOT WIN. Even with these exceptional results they were and exception. I have witnessed many other very fast scholastic crews do poorly at Youth Nats.
Is this a joke. I'm sick of east coast wusses and whinning about 2000 meters. If you can't compete over the real distance, 2000 meters, don't even bother to come. Why would a race even be set for 1500 meters? It doesn't make sense when all collegic and world/olympic championship races are what? 2000 meters? Stop being scared. What makes anyone think NAC would have lost if it were shorter? All of this complaining is pathetic. I'm also sick of people not giving credit to Newport. Just because the east coast is finally getting ruined in rowing all of a sudden these excuses come up. Do you think college coaches and rowing icons are thinking "oh poor east coast (or scholastic crews), it just seems unfair"? NO! Oh and for those who think west coast clubs can just walk around recruiting the biggest and most insane kids. WRONG! The schools in the newport area don't even recognize the accomplishments of the team. Nobody even knows what rowing is. Nobody quits there sport in order to join the crew team. Please anyone who wants to ask something go right ahead. These kids worked as hard if not harder than every team out there and they deserved the win.
In the Men's Varsity 8 (the marquee men's event), 4 of the last 6 medalists (08 & 09) have been scholastic teams, depsite the club teams' outrageously unfair advantage. The hurdles those crews overcame to be highly competitive is unreal.
Attention: Youth Nationals did not pioneer the 2000 meter race. Change the minority (1500 meter races) not the majority. I don't know why you're even arguing. Your beloved Peddie School won!
Ok. To settle the fight between schools vs. clubs, lets say, for example, after the Stotesbury and SRAA we started "Team Philadelphia" and enter Cinci. Sure, the team wouldn't have gone through the qualifying regattas (I think a few people on the 1000 m mark could manage that one). Teams such as this would dominate (and do dominate). My point: Clubs have power, and competing against all-encompassing city clubs offers an advantage. But schools have all the prestige, and schools can still win these regattas. Especially Jesuit secondary institutions. The winner of Cinci is the true "Junior" champion of America. Good job Newport. And the race distance should be 2000 m, just check out worldrowing.com.
It's a shame that Peddie is trailing in this pole since it is the only time they have trailed anybody in four years. They DOMINATED this entire year capping it off with a TEN SECOND win against these other crew all-star teams, I mean clubs. SO GET OUT AND VOTE FOR PEDDIE. ANOTHER DOMINANT JERSEY SCHOOL.
i agree, i watched those girls race last year in cinci and they were really pissed they were beaten. They came back with a fire this season though. Winning by 10 seconds in anything on that high of a level is just ridiculous.
This was an easy vote for me. Newport's men's 8+ came out of nowhere last year and repeated this year in true championship fashion. Winning the mens 8+ and Ltwt 8+ has never been done by any team before. Those two events are incredibly competitive. To win both events is a testament to the continuity of excellence throughout to program. Their coach has brought that team up from mediocrity to a point where the rowers in those boats are represented at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Washington, Cal, and Stanford. Congrats to all teams, but my vote goes to the fastest boats at the regatta, and those are the eights from Newport.
I was really torn on my vote, but tossed in for the two year undefeated CCD LW4. I run a boathouse in Silicon Valley (www.gobair.org) out of which NorCal rows and our close sister clubs are Marin and Los Gatos. All crews did a fantastic job last weekend on the heels of a thrilling East/West split at the IRA's in Sacramento. Congrats on Newport for their wins too and getting the vote out! But considering CCD has crew only as a Spring sport and they have been undefeated for two years, I must give the nod to the CCD LW4+.
Good job to all the crews. CCDS girls not only defended their title at Youth Nationals, but they have been undefeated for two straight years. This includes winning Midwest Scholastics, Midwest Juniors, Scholastic Nationals, Canadian Secondary School Rowing Association Championships, and Youth Nationals for two years. Such a dominate crew is more than deserving of Crew of the Week.
The GMS double victory in Cincy was a testament to Guenter Beutter- G-man- and the club he has built in a few short years. His ability to attract top talent of all ages at the elite level and then see the results at national and international championships is to be admired. Congratulations to all five GMS junior girls on three great days of racing and winning two national championships in the course of 90 minutes. Good luck to all the US Rowing teams training at GMS this summer.
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Coming from the only true scholastic boys team in rochester, ny, clubs definitely have an advantage. Some club teams get money from towns and also are MUCH larger than their scholastic counterparts most of the time. Two of the clubs around here have well over 100 people each. They can draw from several highschools and also don't have to deal with AD's. They can make their own rules and requirements (as long as parents and participants agree obviously). There are only a few teams in the new york area that have true backing from the highschool (canisius, chaminade, saratoga to name a few).
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The distance for ALL regattas should be 2000 meters. The scholastic national championships for canada are 2k. A good crew is really decided in that last 500 of a 2k.
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USRowing does not need to "wake up." Every single legitimate regatta in the world is 2000 meters, from the Olympics to Canley. Maybe Stotesbury and SRAAs should become 2000 meters and join the rest of the world. Cinci is a true national championship, and turning it into a 1500 meter affair would lessen its prestige and only hinder the development of junior athletes who have aspirations to compete at the international, collegiate, or club level. Don't complain about the organization who got it right. If you feel disadvantaged at Youths because of the distance, take it up with whoever feels their regatta should be shorter than the standard international distance for rowing. Please, enough with the sour grapes. Lets celebrate the achievements of these five impressive crews. By the way, this website is row2k.com.
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